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lost_in_last_fm
No problem! To Be Kind is certainly not a bad place to start for someone new to Swans, especially since you don't seem to have an issue with very long tracks/albums. Since it looks like you prefer heavier music, you might like their stuff from the early 80s (Filth, Holy Money). Swans were never a metal band but their music is brutal in its own way. I'm also curious, what in particular do you dislike about dubstep?
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lost_in_last_fm
I saw your review on the Swans album. I found that despite it being two hours, it was captivating enough that listening to the whole thing all the way through never seemed to be a burden. That said, there are some songs like "A Little God In My Hands" that are great to just listen to in isolation. Also, one correction in your review...it's Toussaint, not Touissaint. :-)
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WindWaker910
Yeah, there are a lot of bands that I'll get sick of after a while but I just never get tired of The Killers. :)
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GiantsOrDwarves
I'd like to think I have good taste. But you were right about the Mumford album; there was no growth. Fleet Foxes on the other hand, you can hear how they have developed in their second album, but it seems Mumford it just static.
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whatsername568
i saw Four Year Strong, New Found Glory, Transit, Streetlight Manifesto, some of Pierce The Veil's set, Anthony Raneri's acoustic set, Senses Fail, Taking Back Sunday, Bayside, Yellowcard, Mayday Parade and The Used. not to mention the bands i passed by and listened to before i kept moving. it was my first year, so i was only interested in seeing all my favorites play. i wanted to see a few others, like Man Overboard and Title Fight, but i ended up missing them. :c who'd you see?
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kramerfan86
They claim they were just trying to make a joke song with Cruising California like "Pretty Fly for a White Guy" but I dont know how much I believe that since the lyrical comedy that was in Pretty Fly is totally missing from Cruising California.
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kramerfan86
Quick summary would be first chunk and last chunk are good to great, middle gets a little hit and miss thanks to weaker stuff like OC Guns and Crusin California. Overall a good listen though.
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kramerfan86
Oh Im definitely excited about it, even if there is filler it will still be pretty good.
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MadThespian
The funny thing is that I feel that dubstep is something I should like. I listen to some techno and industrial, and bass heavy music in general, but it just sounds like Wesley Willis with technical skills to me.
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MadThespian
You're right. I dl'ed that crap for my friends 16yo son and thought I'd give it a listen. My bad.
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rok2slayr
Lol man I give them shit so much it's ridiculous but the bottom line is, they're great. Did they change their sound? Yes. Did that make them sell outs? No. Why? That's because they were pop punk which is already a sellout genre. They were already successful 9 years before the "sellout" album. I love giving them shit but bottom line is that they're still great even though it's a different genre from where they started. I could almost compare them to Papa Roach in a sense except for the fact that I don't care for the new sound. But they were already in the sellout/booming genre of nu-metal when they shifted to alt rock.
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rok2slayr
It wasn't a new building though, it was a new wings they created. They made sub genres of the original structure. Yes they made changes and that's awesome. I like pop, metal, ska, reggae, punk, etc. It's great to put different spins on the music that influences you rather than just copy it. That's exactly what they did, blended a bunch of different elements and are masters of it. Without the original structure though, they wouldn't be where they ended up going.
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rok2slayr
Think of it like this, Ramones set the blueprint of punk, would you agree? They claimed it was accident because they're humble. Their first album had a song called "Judy is a Punk". Whether they meant to or not, they set the blueprint and album after album showed the formula of punk. To say they aren't the masters is to say a person who designs and builds a building isn't responsible for it. It's like saying the people inside the building are the reason the corporation is big. Without that building, they wouldn't be there. Therefore all credit goes to the constructor. Don't get me wrong, I have a massive amount of respect for the bands you're bringing up. It's because of the Ramones that they are around though.
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rok2slayr
There is that song but it was also from concert footage I've seen as well. I don't go on and hate a band unless I know a good amount of information about them. Their social issues aren't a concern to me because I am not from there, so I'm not too interested. DKs? No. They're good. Damn good. Beatles are claimed to be the "best rock band" and for what? Being the first rock band. Ramones get the title best because they were the first punk group. You could say Iggy Pop was (I hear this argument far too often) the first but he's labeled proto-punk. Proto-punk wasn't a genre until after the Ramones were around and stated their influences. Ramones created a genre that went underground until the early 90s with pop punk. They created the sound, they made fresh music for the people's ears who were tired of the constant soloing. They're the best. DKs, amazing. Ramones, legends.
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rok2slayr
Oh, I can get into this little Ramones Clash debate. While I don't care for the Clash, they were more diverse and brought punk to a level the Ramones weren't even interested in getting into. That is mainly because the members of the Ramones were all in different political views/stances. Clash brought politics into the picture and 3 years later punk in the LA scene followed the same road. Bands like Germs, X, Fear, etc are bands I like because they talk about American Issues. Clash said fuck the USA, as an American I take offense and disregard listening to them. Musically the Ramones stuck to what they knew, Clash ventured out. Both influenced punk in different ways. Both deserve a lot of respect.
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Goelian
Let's have a little debate? ^^ Those things are the things what makes the Ramones unique. They weren't some kinda band that made songs about serious stuff like all the bands did in the time. It's not like making songs about serious issues makes you a great band, does it? And besides that.. the Clash copied A LOT of the style from the Ramones. Also the Ramones were/are one of the most influential bands in the history of pop/rock music. They are responsible for the whole punkrock movement, were a huge influence on heavy metal bands like Motorhead & Metallica, and grungebands like Pearl Jam & Nirvana. Even some garage/indie bands like The Strokes and alternative bands like U2 and Red Hot Chili Peppers were influenced by them. I know its a matter of taste which you prefer, but the Ramones were a fresher, more original band than The Clash. ^^
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